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untitled / Family & Parenting / 7:56 AM - Friday May 16, 2008
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A Mr. Nice Guy (Male, 46-55, Self-Employed) asked:


I see alot of questions on this site lately about EQUAL rights, ladies get this. God made men to be leaders bread-winners/providers , and to govern why do you women want to wear our shoes you will never be our equal because thats not what God intented, your were made from a RIB of man, your duty is to give birth, be home-makers and nature/support your family , thanks.


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A Thinker (Female, New York, 29-35, Who Cares?) answered:

Screenname: zahararica


Thanks. From now on, when I want to know God's opinion on anything, I'll turn to you, random poster with poor grammar.

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A Sweet Sarah (Female, Chicago, 36-45, Medical / Dental) answered:

Screenname: happygolcky


I guess you missed part of the Bible about a man loving and respecting his wife. We are not dormats asshole.

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A Thinker (Female, Baltimore, 46-55, Administrative) answered:

Screenname: jpm51


Oh, we aren't supposed to be DOCTORS and SURGEONS and other medical specialists to save ASS HOLES like you huh????

Just stay home, have babies, clean the house and take your shit when you come home from work and want to take out your crappy day on us.......not to mention complain about something that was or was not done while you were off with your mistress kicking up your heels somewhere and still telling everyone you're a wonderful guy and a wife should be so lucky to have you! That's if anyone in their right mind would want to marry someone like you........but I take it you're a bachelor for life anyway at your age!

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A Thinker (Female, 56-65, Artist / Musician / Writer) answered:


and You are seriously mentally sick. People like you need to be in a cage somewhere.

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A Creative (Male, San Francisco, 26-28, Internet / New Media) answered:

Screenname: foonlord


wow. thanks for making people who believe in god look bad dude. you're ignorant.

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A Life of the Party (Female, 26-28, Who Cares?) answered:

Screenname: beanielou


ha ha ha then maybe you boys should man up and start bring home some real money, cause these days you're not. Most families can't afford for the woman to stay home.
So, in conclusion if you guys start acting like men then we'll start acting like "woman".

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A Career Woman (Female, St.Louis, 46-55, Administrative) answered:


I dont believe in God. Therefore all that crap doesnt mean anything to me. Everyone comes into this world the same way, male and female. We are different but not unequal. Many men these days cant be/dont want to be, bread winners/providers. What would women do then in your mode of thinking?? Duh??? I am my mans equal and in addition to his equal I could have babies, something he cant do and will always miss out on because he is a man. I can provide as he does. I can lead as his does. I can govern like he does. There is no question in my mind that I can do everything he does and I am happy doing it. Maybe not all women are this way, but I am and my man supports me in everything I want to do, as I support him. You need to look around and come back to reality.

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A Career Woman (Female, Charlotte, 29-35, Who Cares?) answered:

Screenname: thottienc


These answers are so funny, I don't even know which one to C-star! Lol Uhm just for note, many of us don't WANT Men Roles. We'd gladly give them up if MEN would step up to the plate and do what you think God intends of a Man. So if we HAVE to do the roles, we want the Equal pay for them.

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A Thinker (Female, Los Angeles, 46-55, Administrative) answered:

Screenname: lasuz


I am totally open to questions/opinions from well-informed members who are obviously well-read/well-educated . You don't appear to be any of the above, and are either trying to provoke women on the site, or are basing your "thoughts" on perhaps background from another culture where women are considered to be chattle. (I am certainly not putting down other countries, but this is America).

I have not personally met God, but I'm sure she wanted us to all love each other regardless of gender, race, nationality, orientation, religion, and wanted us all to be considered equal and treated with respect.

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A Thinker (Female, 46-55) answered:

Screenname: birdland


That's perfectly fine with me because I know the power of the hand that rocks the cradle.

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A Thinker (Female, Miami, 66 or older, Who Cares?) answered:

Screenname: pushkins


That's your conception of life. Not everyone's.

You go by a Bible that was written centuries ago and passed on and is mostly symbolic except for the physical geographical locations and a few of the historical figures that are well-known to have existed.

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A Thinker (Female, Chicago, 46-55, Administrative) answered:

Screenname: cubbiegal


In judaism, women are seen as just as important if not more important than men.

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A Rebel (Female, Philadelphia, 46-55, Medical / Dental) answered:

Screenname: carolynspoonire


Now see, this is where the Adamant GOD SAYS this starts to cause trouble.
Times have changed. A woman can be a woman but she can also be many more things, and rightfully so. And with God by her side.
But when you make statements like that in your post: it gives no margin for others, or the womans view.

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A Thinker (Female, 46-55, Who Cares?) answered:

Screenname: MaryAnne


As it says about woman being created from the rib of man. To be his equal, not to be above him, or below him, but beside him.

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A Thinker (Female, Who Cares?, Other Profession) answered:

Screenname: ladywisteria


Honey, God made man first and then said, "Opps, I've made a mistake" ... and then He made woman!!!!!





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A Jock (Male, Miami, 29-35, Technical) answered:

Screenname: 2thpick


Its a sociological issue more than anything else that women find themselves having to work and help support a family or support a family on her own. I do believe that women's roles have been diluted in a sense because of the equality indignation, however; they certainly deserved to have more rights than they had in the past. I commend hard working women and I have no issue working/competing with them. I do have issue with many double standards that seem to be prevalent, but that's another issue. I agree that men and women are different. There should be no agruement about that. Therefore we have different roles. I think the fact that women don't stay home to raise their families (either because of economic reasons or their desire to be so called equal) now-a-days is the route of many of our societal problems. Who is raising the kids? MTV, Myspace, Themselves...not good.

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A Thinker (Female, 46-55, Executive) answered:

Screenname: catscratch


If I ever found a man capable of supporting me, I'd gladly stay home.

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A Trendsetter (Female, 36-45, Retail) answered:

Screenname: msgg


Oh brother, I am not going to even attempt to read the responses given to your post. I personally believe the same as you stated, because I know what God instills in my heart/soul. I do believe the post should have been asked rather than stated, because I am sure it was received as male shovanistic. Giving birth is not a duty, but a blessing to both husband and wife. God intended many things for us here on earth and why the male leaders can not reach a peaceful agreement is questionable. God intended for men to be active father's to their children.
I say this often, "women are the heart of a household, we can give birth, cook dinner, help our children with homework, answer a call and manage every single one while still looking beautiful.

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A Life of the Party (Female, 29-35) answered:

Screenname: claus


Go on believing that... Hah. I pity the woman who has to spend time with you.

First off, God did not make women from the Rib of man, and even if he did if you follow that logic then look at the Genesis story where god made man out of dirt (mud). Does that make men less valuable than DIRT? I don't think so.

From what we can all see and prove, every man came from the body of a woman. Does this make you inferior to your mother? You are made from far more of your mom than dad, from the larger cell to start with, to the mitochondrial DNA to other regulatory influences coming solely from the Mother. So, God made you from more of your mother's body, and Jesus using parts of Mary's body with no parts of a man. Using your logic, you would conclude form this that you are inferior to your mother, and that the woman who bore Jesus (and thus whose body was used by God to make Jesus and whose flesh contrubuted to Jesus-as the rib was used...) was superior to Jesus. Looking at religious texts, we see that Jesus was part God and part human. Mary is the most important human being in the texts, rising to be with God, more important than any non-God man.

Don't exploit the Bible for your ridiculous beliefs.

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A Life of the Party (Female, 18-21, Student) answered:

Screenname: samara87


Man= God's rough version.
Woman= God's refined version, that he made after the draft!
As for the bread winning thing!
Males obviously suck at it these days, which is why women had to step up and fend for themselves and their children.

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A Creative (Male, 46-55, Civil Service) answered:

Screenname: 2wheels


Interesting thesis. Can you please explain the Biblical heroes Meriam, Deborah, and Esther? While you're at it, can you also explain Saint Joan of Arc? Clearly these were women chosen by God to leadership rolls, and all four of them performed well enough that they are still held up as examples of faith and courage after hundreds or thousands of years. I'm just wondering how they might fit into your thesis.

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A Guy Critical (Male, 36-45) answered:

Screenname: tiger8urkat


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... really...........???

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A Thinker (Female, Cleveland, 29-35, Student) answered:

Screenname: seductivepisces9


Maybe in YOUR mind.

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A Creative (Female, Los Angeles, 56-65, Artist / Musician / Writer) answered:

Screenname: lovelight


Wow...I just read all of your responses and I am truly amazed and enlightened! How delightful to get such an array of thoughtful responses. Oh, I know some were kind of insulting but most were GREAT!
Really. I am happy you posted this becuz reading these responses has made my Saturday morning brighter.

I helped my husband start a business that has become world-famous. We had five children together and a life that was sweet until alcoholism took its toll. I had to be strong.
I felt that we had a perfect complementary blend of strengths and abilities--what he lacked, I had, and vice-versa--the way God may have intended things to be in an "ideal marriage".

I loved being at home and taking care of my children. It suited me just fine...so did being creative and helping to start a world-famous business.

I have often thought that the only reason man has been dominant on this earth is because of size and strength.

I understand your "biblical" beliefs, having been raised in the Baptist Church but I can't agree with your "one way, the only way" viewpoint. It imposes the will of one person upon another.
That's the way it is for children, but we adult women--even Christian women like myself-- find it denigrating.

Thanks.

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A Married Girl (Female, Miami, 29-35, Home Maker) answered:

Screenname: anonymouse32


if youre good enough man to earn enough to support us in comfort and provide and take care of us the way you should, then absolutely great!

go for it !

:o)

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A Creative (Female, 36-45, Student) answered:

Screenname: fastball


I can totally understand where you are coming from, however, not every man is capable of taking care of a home, family, and his 'woman' so there are times where a woman must go out and work too...a part of being with a man is to have a companion and to 'share' your lives with one another, not to 'dominate' over each other...I would much rather have the 'option' of staying home but unfortunately, I don't have a man who is capable of supporting me, unless he works 18 hour days and I wouldn't want him doing that just so I could stay home...besides, the definition of 'bread winner' has changed over the years and as a result, some women have had to go out and work to help support the family...:D

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A Career Woman (Female, Pittsburgh, 36-45, Executive) answered:

Screenname: spiceyjoy


I respect your opinion, but times are a changing.

I know I can only speak for myself, but as a single Mom, I'm playing the leader-bread winner part fairly successfully!

I really wouldn't want a man to "take care of me". I enjoy being gainfully employed and knowing I can stand on my own and have children who are happy and well adjusted.

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A Mr. Nice Guy (Male, Sacramento, 46-55, Other Profession) answered:

Screenname: rhunt0210


Throughout history, there have been female leaders of countries and whole societies. SO your theory goes to the waste basket. It was the early church that PUT man in dominion over woman. Because of conditioning, woman have accepted this role as subservient. Today, women are regaining their power and ASSISTING the man to be better, stronger, more powerful as a unit than by himself. Men can be just as nuturing, loving home-making as the woman. Thank God for giving women the brains and strength to continue on. Guys, we can still have it all. We just have to work together with our women-folks. It's really that easy.

Yesterday, work was done by might and leverage. Today, our brains are most of the power that we need. And woman can think and process information with the best of us. No wonder, women are becoming the majority in professional schools.

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A Cool Mom (Female, Detroit, 36-45, Who Cares?) answered:

Screenname: anny


LOL....guys these days don't step up to the plate. If you need something done....it will get done faster if you just do it yourself!....like taking the garbage out...hahah


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A Thinker (Female, 46-55) answered:

Screenname: ldykarla


women are wanting to have equal rights because this generation of men are increasingly self involved and leave the women and the children without the bread winners and providers. SOMEONE has to take care of the generation of children so they do not end up being raised on welfare...

Why are you so threatened by this matter?

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A Sweet Sarah (Female, 29-35, Who Cares?) answered:

Screenname: sunset77


That's merely your opinion. That doesn't make it the truth. I don't care what the Bible says, men and women ARE equal; both have their own strengths; and neither gender HAS to be the breadwinner OR the homemaker; men can be homemakers, just as women can be breadwinners if they so choose.

Neither have prescribed "duty", everyone is an individual, free to choose their own path regardless of their gender.

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A Guy Critical (Female, Seattle, Who Cares?, Political / Government) answered:

Screenname: stargazr39


I read this in your profile: "Commitment: Single"

For some reason, I don't wonder, "Why?"

Back to the kitchen...

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A Sweet Sarah (Female, 46-55, Who Cares?) answered:

Screenname: twocents45


Who gave birth to YOU?

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A Thinker (Female, 66 or older, Retired) answered:

Screenname: scrapper1941


Right now, I'm having a vision and that vision is for God to go back to the drawing board and do you over!!!!......I'll say no more!!

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A Sportif (Female, 36-45, Who Cares?) answered:

Screenname: jodign


your single aren't you?

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A Thinker (Female, Charlotte, 29-35, Home Maker) answered:

Screenname: uncgal


We might of been made from the rib of man,but we can all see why God saw fit to make us.He knew men would alway find a way to put their foot in their mouths and need someone there to bail their narrow minded mind out of a jam.I can also see why you are single and may stay that way!

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A Life of the Party (Male, 36-45) answered:


What god?

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An Alternative Girl (Female, New York, 18-21, Consulting) answered:

Screenname: whosthatgirl13


That is a horribly sexist thing to say. Have you taken a look around lately? Society has changed since the dawn of time...it's called evolution. What say you to the men who don't act as providers? To the men who are lazy? To the dead beat dads? Women can do as they please. How do you know what god intenDed anyway? Do you have some sort of correspondence with him? I'm pretty sure god didn't intenD for you to be a sexist soap box speaker, but here you are.

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An Intellectual Guy (Male, Chicago, 36-45, Internet / New Media) answered:

Screenname: gilpill


It seems that you have your rigid beliefs that are antagonistic to giving women an equal share of the economic pie. Could your real underlying motive be such that you do not have to compete with women in the work force? There were also beliefs of reasonable people to keep blacks out of the work force also. But lets put my speculations on your motives aside for the moment and focus on your stated rationale, which is your own interpretation of the bible. Biblical scholars are abound who find fault with misogynistic interpretations of the bible. Perhaps we can then address ourselves to the source of your "stated" reasons. Is the bible, whose etiology is still left up to question, an unvarnished source of truth and wisdom? Some of course answer in the affirmative. Those people are often thought of as retrograde intellects. Obviously any source that advocates stoning for adultry, and an eye for an eye, is of doubtful relevance in the 21st century. Just as obviously, some of the bible wisdom is unimpeachable. However since there are indeed glaring inconsistencies in its appropriateness for modern times, then any interpretation that is at cross purposes to modern cultural norms is left up to question. Which brings us back to your question, which is a nuanced interpretation of a book clearly not in touch with modern times in many of its parts. The parts that you have selected, for your own reasons, are indeed the most anachronistic.


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A Father Figure (Male, 66 or older, Retired) answered:

Screenname: dmncowboy


i do not agree with you as it is true in the past with the cave men and the plains indians but not in this day and age women are just as capable as men in moast indevers and beter in others

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A Rebel (Male, Los Angeles, 26-28, Managerial) answered:

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YOU SOUND LIKE A BITTER SINGLE OLD MAN. YOU MAKE ME LAUGH OUT LOUD SEE--> LOL

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A Thinker (Female, Who Cares?, Who Cares?) answered:

Screenname: barbb


With that attitude, I knew you were single.

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A Sportif (Female, Vancouver, 36-45, Medical / Dental) answered:

Screenname: vwgirl


It has been scientifically proven that the first human was female. The bible is a fiary tale. Men are physically stronger than women. Women give birth. WE are different, but one is not meant to rule the other.

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A Thinker (Female, 46-55, Consulting) answered:

Screenname: trekker2


You need to look into anthropology and psychology if your post is serious -- but really you are playing a joke right

or did you really just walk out of a cave -- and let me elaborate on this ... cave men were scavengers -- women were not the gathers only -- they also did the hunting; they lived separate from the women and either came in and stole food or picked up the left overs -- the women lived in the caves -- and you got it 'Women' invented fire -- please speak with any learned professor of Anthropology so you can be educated in this.

Psychologically women and MEN are suited to childrearing -- it is not one's domain -- just like being a doctor, lawyer, constuction worker, or teacher -- there are no domains-- we all
have the 'big brain' :)

I don't need to wear your shoes: I have my own. thank you -

So grow up

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An Alternative Girl (Female, 18-21) answered:

Screenname: xxpandoraxx


I don't believe in God, and, if God does exist I don't believe that he/she/it is the Christian God, and, if he/she/it is the Christian God I don't believe that women are thought of that way, and if they are, I want nothing to do with that God, absolutely nothing, I'd rather be in Hell with the rest of the independant women =)

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A Thinker (Female, 46-55, Who Cares?) answered:

Screenname: spitfire815


Ur an IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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A Career Woman (Female, 36-45, Internet / New Media) answered:


My God thinks your God is wrong!
kat

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An Intellectual Guy (Male, New York, 46-55, Science / Engineering) answered:

Screenname: mauddeep


..Wait one min here..First no one is made..We all are born..

..And women have just as much a right as men have in voicing there idea's..and in being equal to a man as in pride..

..You sound just like the brain washed people that only thing they know... is what they were taught by there parent's and can't seem to figure out or want to understand anyone's else point of view but there own..

..If you are married I bet I treat my dog better then you treat your wife..and I bet inside of yourself you are one lonely man..that only has his faith in the BS he grew up with and will not take the blind fold off to see the beauty of thing's around him..


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A Mr. Nice Guy (Male, 56-65, Technical) answered:

Screenname: drumboi2


How do you KNOW what God intended? Were you there?

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A Cool Mom (Female, 46-55, Self-Employed) answered:

Screenname: gettinslim45


Last night my son won a leadership award. There were many, many girls getting the same award. To listen to little girls from 8 to 14, stand up in front of a room full of people and engage them with stories of their many acts of community service and personal inspirations wowed me. I was proud of them.

Half of them were doing this within the Catholic school system.

I don't think God cares who it is that leads, just as long as someone does.

Shame on your antiquated outlook.

;)

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A Mr. Nice Guy (Male, New York, 26-28, Consulting) answered:

Screenname: nubulins


so, when you we're chilling out with god, did his bitch make you dinner to give you this idea or did he tell you himself?

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A Cool Mom (Female, 36-45, Other Profession) answered:

Screenname: teresj


are you a plumber?

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